Deadlywind hAir trigger demo video

[Dalum]

HOLY CRAP!!!

I have used prototype stuff from Colin before. He will treat you guys good. I need to buy a Mag. This is some solid stuff. Even my less than casual paintball playing girlfriend thinks it's great. Watched the video morethan a few times already. Must sleep...

[Ohms Law]

What about weight? Some of us spend $200.00 on an X-valve just to loose 3 ounces. It is very important to some people that have a ULE mag, that weighs less than 2 pounds, not to add alot of weight to it.

[Smoking Nun]

I want one

All I know is that I want one...

Marketing isn't about need, it isn't even about quality for many companies (AGD being a clear exception), it isn't about choice, it isn't even about caring or serving the consumer (again, AGD being the clear exception). Marketing is all about making people WANT something.

However that happens, whether just dumb luck through the zeitgeist, through careful planning, through a media blitz, through celebrity endorsement, through limited supply and greater demand - it doesn't matter. What matters is that consumers want the product.

So, if AGD wants to sell this on a broad scale - people gotta want it...

One recent problem with Mags is that people wanted other markers over Mags, for a variety of reasons. Maybe this product will help people want the Mag more. Remains to be seen. There's gotta be a marketing expert or two lurking around this forum.

Right now I WANT one! Now, if 50,000 people also WANTED one right now - well, you get the point.

Nun

[darklord]

Wow... just watched the video... I'm quite impressed. Actually makes me want to buy a mag again when I get back into the sport. Man, I haven't been on AO in ages. I'd definitely like to see that on a vert frame (saw pics of those too, and wow!). My only question is, how much?

[shorty43543]

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[melster]

Designing a safety system for it shouldn't be hard. You just have to think outside the box. On an electro, you turn off the power. On a pneumatic, you bleed the air. If you have no air going to the 3 way, it won't fire.

[darwin]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
Maybe an AOer with extra webspace and bandwidth, they could set up a video resource like www.pigtv.net www.AGDtv.org? hmmm....

Actually i do the hosting for pigtv and would be more then happy to set something up if someone wants to send me the info on what they would like.

ez

[matt-o]

how could you compare the trigger pull to an electro? is it stiffer or just as light? i know that a WAS switch is 25 grams and that that is SUPER light, its also one of those "cheater boards" tom as talking about. how does this trigger compare?
also is this a joint thing between DW and AGD? or are the hAIR and agds degign different in design, or just the company its coming from? i dont know because both nicad and kaye have posted.

[Dueydog]

If you would read the thread all your answers are there.

Originally posted by matt-o
how could you compare the trigger pull to an electro? is it stiffer or just as light? i know that a WAS switch is 25 grams and that that is SUPER light, its also one of those "cheater boards" tom as talking about. how does this trigger compare?
also is this a joint thing between DW and AGD? or are the hAIR and agds degign different in design, or just the company its coming from? i dont know because both nicad and kaye have posted.

[MantisMag]

in response to the second question: agd is considering (looks pretty definite) producing nicad's mod. they were working on a different method but presumably this is better and already built. if that doesn't work out then nicad will produce it himself. here are the relevant posts.

Originally posted by nicad
The prototype hAir trigger was mounted to a stock X valve with stock on/off.. so far nothing needs to be replaced above the triggerframe.

AGD is looking into the technology used in this to decide if they want to do anything with it or not. If they do, it could be a product offered by AGD. If not, Deadlywind will either work on offering it on our own or in conjunction with another major paintball company.

out!

ps- guys please discuss OT triggerframe angle prefrences elsewhere or in private.

Originally posted by AGD
Ok here is what's happening. I am going out of town for two weeks and will be living in a garage for the whole time. Fortunately the garage has a machine shop and I am bringing all my computers with me.

While I am there my intention is to fully design and prototype this product if at all possible. The biggest drawback currently is that there are 6 adjustments in Nicads version. I need to get it down to three for Joe average to be able to run with it. In its current version its highly functional but not highly produceable.

I would expect this product to be somewhere between 250 and 350 dollars depending on the number of adjustments etc. Things like the safety have to be redesigned because its hard to make a .010 trigger pull not move. In e-guns you just turn off the power. So there are a lot more considerations in producing this than you would think.

AGD

[Cryer]

Originally posted by matt-o
how could you compare the trigger pull to an electro? is it stiffer or just as light? i know that a WAS switch is 25 grams and that that is SUPER light, its also one of those "cheater boards" tom as talking about. how does this trigger compare?
also is this a joint thing between DW and AGD? or are the hAIR and agds degign different in design, or just the company its coming from? i dont know because both nicad and kaye have posted.

Matt-O

The way Nicad has the trigger configured in the video, the trigger pull weighs 2 ounces. or around 56 1/2 grams.

Theres also no bounce, so its one shot, one pull. Not like the WAS you're used to.

Nicad (Colin of Deadlywind) came up with the design, and appearently is looking to AGD as a means to get it produced. Tom is looking at a way to optimize and simplify the design. As nicad said, if AGD doesnt take it, DW will try somewhere else.

[Spleen]

im not sure if its been asked, (230am and i dont wanna read all the pages) but, could this eventually be a drop in mod? I read on page 1 that it possibly will work in a y frame, so i dont really wanna buy another. I would rather just slap whatever you have in there, and go.

[frenchman309]

as it's looking right now it will not be a drop in mod. Looks like a whole grip frame.

[matt-o]

wow, 56 grams! thats as light as most electro triggers, i only compared it to the was because its the only switch i knew the weight of, i didnt expect it to be that light, i didnt even expect 56. kudos to everyone involved.

[Banshee23]

Quick question

Just wondering why everyone keeps mentioning 3-ways & rams & stuff pertaining to this trigger. Nicad said early on in this thread that it has only one part that an autococker would use, and that one part was in 99% of electros. So that would be an LPR I guess. Yes / No?