A Defense of Marriage/Gay Rights Amendment

[than205]

Originally posted by Rooster
My sincerest hope is that the social norms never change, as homosexual behavior is the same as any other deviant behavior and shouldn't be pandered to just becuase they have a tendancy to be louder than most other sub-cultures.

"And race 'X' makes great slaves because they are stupid and are better suited for hard labor"

"Women shouldn't be able to vote, because they haven't the mind for it"

These are the things that I imagine had similar umm, prevelance in the past. I'm trying to not be crude.

But I guess I'll point out again things change. I agree, I worry about where does it end.
For example, I'm for the legalization of pot, but that's where I'd stop. Maybe some zipperhead will come along and want coke legal. So, I leave the pot issue alone. (and sometimes think of alcohol prohibition as an option again.)

I don't necessarily care if you call it civil or whatever. If marriage is a religous term then by george make certain your church doesn't have gay marriages. I'll support you in that.
I truely believe in the separation of church and state for the protections that it gives to both. So far, this had held water for our country.
The religous aspect is a marriage. The legal contract as recognized in all fifty and beyond, bestows rights and priviledges that I believe should be available to homosexuals.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by taylor492
Thats why you look like an ***, because you assumed that those links had anything to do with the real "Mormon" church.

Or again with this "real" nonsense. Are they mormons that practice mormonism more or less as it was before the mormons bowed to the mores of the rest of the nation?

Yes

And our efforts to give you the correct information must've failed. Or maybe u need to learn how to clink on a link.

I read the link Cryer (how appropriate) posted. And you know what it said? The the church was making an official statement denying something negative about itself. I take all such statements with a grain of salt since the party doing the statement has the most to gain by lying, so I take caution before believing official statements.

And further more, let's not forget that the mormons only stopped practicing polygamy because they were told to. Does anyone really believe that if the legal barrier to polygamy was taken down we wouldn't see a resurgence in it's practice?

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by dansim
actually your the one who appears to be an Azz right now

Thanx Dan

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CaptaiN_JacK
wow shartly! i thought nobody would ever birng the best arguement up, which is GAYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AIDS. as you know, gay people have had a conspiracy to spread aids to all the counrtys in the world, starting with africa, so that they could take over THE WORLD.

gays had a lot to do with the early transmission of AIDS in America. I'm sure they didn't want to have anything to do with it, and I'm quite sorry they didn't enjoy seeing their loved ones whither and die for doing nothing but have sex. But that's how it happened, and its a terrible tragedy and exceptionally unfortunate. But Shartly's point was that rampant homosexual activity has lead to some pretty aweful things in this country. Not by design of course, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

not only that, but gay people are also taking over mainstream media by having popular shows, like ***** eye for the straight guy and ***** as folk. by having shows that everybody watched, they could make kids gay just by watching them, and also spread their unholy thoughts to THE WORLD.

Well, they're certainly influecing mainstream media. Fine, so does every other group. I don't think anyone minds that.

and did you know that gay people are also taking over the fashion industry? thats right, they are making it so straight guys look gay, so that maybe one day they will actually cross the edge between metrosexual, and homosexual, and through gay ads, take over THE WORLD.

I'll tell you what. What I know about the fashion industry is about as much as I know about the proper way to grow an apple tree on pluto. Which is to say not much. So I have no earthly idea what to say to this.

gay people are also corrupting the catholic religion (more than it already was). by molesting little boys, they are creating a new breed of gay people to take over every religion of THE WORLD.

Well, this has a little bit of truth to it. Its tough to say exactly why the priests that molest little boys do what they do, and if it has anything to do with homosexuality. But its certainly possible.

gay people are also teaming together with animal "lovers", pedophiles, poligamists(sp?), cannibals, and jews, so that EVERYBODY will have the right to get married. if all of those minority groups team together, they can create a force big enough to take over THE WORLD.

Well, they're not really teaming up with everyone,they've decided to fight this fight alone.

And I mean really ALONE, since it's them vs. most of the rest of the country.

adn then at a big gay banquet when they are all having gay chats watching gay porn, they will, um, take over THE WORLD.

Now that's just silly. At weddings everyone dances and drinks. Most people don't even have internet access at weddings, so how would they download or watch gay pron?

so as you can see, gay people are trying to take over...THE WORLD!

Well, now that we've cleared that up.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by brandnewcadillac
ever been to spring break? mardi gras?

True, but those are pretty isolated incidents that take place in a specific place at a specific time and you typically have to go outof your way to get to those things.

Not that they should be condoned really, but it's a far cry from the craziness that the pride parades bring everywhere they go, which is really into the more mainstream places where those kinds of displays are wildly inappropriate. Heck, the gay pride parage in Disney World is completely obscene and its at DISNEY WORLD.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by brandnewcadillac
here are some articles i think some of you right wingers may find interesting. they are written by a very conservative gay catholic on the issue of same-sex marriage.

http://andrewsullivan.com/homosexuality.php

Andrew Sullivan isn't exactly what the rest of us call a
very conservative guy".

And I've read everything he's written on the subject, and I in nearly every case disagree with him.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
And if gays were allowed to marry they would ideally only be having sex with one man or woman, and thus not spreading AIDS.

What, you're saying that gay people lack the ability to have levels of fidelity without marriage?

It sounds to me like they're not trying hard enough. Before I married my wife I spent yaers with her as my girldfriend and we were faithful to each other. Same with basically every "serious" couple I know. Non-gays don't seem to need marriage to be faithful, why do gays?

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by than205
"And race 'X' makes great slaves because they are stupid and are better suited for hard labor"

"Women shouldn't be able to vote, because they haven't the mind for it"

These are the things that I imagine had similar umm, prevelance in the past. I'm trying to not be crude.

But they also weren't steeped in thousands of years old traditions that were the very foundation of civilization.

Blacks were primarily chosen for slavery because they were easy to get our hands on. One tribe would conquer another tribe and then bring all the captured men to a boat and collect some barter for them. Once man got it in their minds that money was to be made in the slave trade it could have been anyone that was turned into slaves, Africans were just the most convenient.

As for woman's right to vote and such. True that had been denied for quite a while, but that whole time women were slowly nibbeling at the edges to gain parity.

The gay lobby just showed up last week and delcared from now on they want in on the tradition they had previously scoffed at.

But I guess I'll point out again things change. I agree, I worry about where does it end.

Yeah, but they change slowly, not all at once.

For example, I'm for the legalization of pot, but that's where I'd stop. Maybe some zipperhead will come along and want coke legal. So, I leave the pot issue alone. (and sometimes think of alcohol prohibition as an option again.)

Right, the slipperly slope arguement. Which is a big part of the arguemet against gay marriage.

I don't necessarily care if you call it civil or whatever. If marriage is a religous term then by george make certain your church doesn't have gay marriages. I'll support you in that.

See, and most people can get behind that. By and large Americans don't really care whether or notgays have property rights, and we're willing to support it because there's really no reason not to. But marriage is a different story.

I truely believe in the separation of church and state for the protections that it gives to both. So far, this had held water for our country.
The religous aspect is a marriage. The legal contract as recognized in all fifty and beyond, bestows rights and priviledges that I believe should be available to homosexuals.

If I'm reading you right, right on.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by than205
"And race 'X' makes great slaves because they are stupid and are better suited for hard labor"

"Women shouldn't be able to vote, because they haven't the mind for it"

These are the things that I imagine had similar umm, prevelance in the past. I'm trying to not be crude.

Except they were changed by the popular will of the country through legislation and constitutional ammendments. They did not shop for ultra-liberal judges to circumvent current laws and defy the will of the majority! They changed the majorities hearts and minds. This Gay Marriage crusade has set their own cause back a great deal!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
[BThe gay lobby just showed up last week and delcared from now on they want in on the tradition they had previously scoffed at.[/B]

Good point that hasn't been brought up yet.

Why all of a sudden does the gay rights movement, especially the militant segment of that movement want something that was anethema to them for decades?

[-Carnifex-]

Rooster, define deviant behavior.

[Rooster]

"it is completely unreasonable to deny them the legal privilege to marry"

No more than it is unreasonable for pedophiles, polygamists, those interested in beastiality, and necropheliacs to be allowed to marry.

"Rooster, define deviant behavior."

Behavior that is unnatural, usually undertaken because of a mental imbalance or a desire for attention.

[brandnewcadillac]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


What, you're saying that gay people lack the ability to have levels of fidelity without marriage?

It sounds to me like they're not trying hard enough. Before I married my wife I spent yaers with her as my girldfriend and we were faithful to each other. Same with basically every "serious" couple I know. Non-gays don't seem to need marriage to be faithful, why do gays?

dude, what's your point?
you complain that gays can't have stable relationships, and yet when they want to (through marriage), you want to deny them the ability to.

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by Rooster
"Rooster, define deviant behavior."

Behavior that is unnatural, usually undertaken because of a mental imbalance or a desire for attention.

If it's beyond their control you shouldn't use it as an arguement. It hurts the cause.

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by brandnewcadillac


dude, what's your point?
you complain that gays can't have stable relationships, and yet when they want to (through marriage), you want to deny them the ability to.

Reread what he said.