** Official Level 10 Problems Thread **

[Ando]

how much can I screw in the regulator? I know loosening it too much will cause it to leak but is there such thing as screwing it in too much? I'll try this tonight! thanks

You can turn in the reg till it bottoms out, there no such thing as too much. If your leaking out the back and still not fireing you'll have to purchase a new piston or perform a little maintenance as was said by Bigwooly. Just follow what I said in the link. If it doesn't fix your problem, you'll need to purchase a new piston. I'm going to see about making a video or just a picture show of how to do that maintenance at work tomorrow if were not too swamped and I'll get it on youtube for you all to see.

[Bigwooly1013]

I'm trying to help him troubleshoot and the trigger is always resetting itself. I tried to getting it to fire meanwhile incrementally adjusting the velocity with no results. IIRC it just hissed out the back when I went far enough.

Any other thoughts? It's been quite a while for myself.

i had the same thing when i installed my Level 10 and when i did get it to fire i had to crank the velocity up so high it was leaking out the back of the valve. Here's what was told to me.

Worth noting i tried the fix suggested but haven't had any air to be able to test it and see if i am fully corrected.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=246743

[Major Ho]

I'm trying to help him troubleshoot and the trigger is always resetting itself. I tried to getting it to fire meanwhile incrementally adjusting the velocity with no results. IIRC it just hissed out the back when I went far enough.

Any other thoughts? It's been quite a while for myself.

[jinhao]

Sounds like your velocity is set too low. If you're pulling the trigger and it's pushing back, but not firing then that means there's not enough pressure in the valve chamber to push the bolt forward and fire. Crank in the velocity adjuster while pulling the trigger and see if it starts firing. Your leak also might be a result of the reg. pressure being too low. Often if it's too low it won't have enough pressure to seat the o-rings and you'll have a leak until you turn up the pressure/velocity.

Give that a try and let me know.

how much can I screw in the regulator? I know loosening it too much will cause it to leak but is there such thing as screwing it in too much? I'll try this tonight! thanks

[BlackVCG]

Sounds like your velocity is set too low. If you're pulling the trigger and it's pushing back, but not firing then that means there's not enough pressure in the valve chamber to push the bolt forward and fire. Crank in the velocity adjuster while pulling the trigger and see if it starts firing. Your leak also might be a result of the reg. pressure being too low. Often if it's too low it won't have enough pressure to seat the o-rings and you'll have a leak until you turn up the pressure/velocity.

Give that a try and let me know.

[jinhao]

So I just installed a lvl10 bolt and I'm kind of stumped. watched the video and can't seem to isolate the problem. I am new to automags but feel like i've troubleshooted pretty well. prior to installing the lvl10 bolt i had no leak down the barrel but was experiencing bolt stick (the trigger wasn't resetting) figured instead of buying spacers, i bought a level 10 kit.

after installing the new bolt using the carrier w/ 2 lines and 2 shims to start with, I was originally getting no leak down the barrel but the gun wouldn't fire. the trigger reset but pulling it did nothing.

took it apart and tried it again but now I am getting leak down the barrel with the trigger depressed or without. That would signify a problem with the regulator right? but the reg was working leak free before the level 10....

all of this while its still not firing.

please help!

[athomas]

All of a sudden, my tac-1 chuffs on the first shot, but shoots fine on subsequent shots made right after the first. I tried using the next larger carrier, but it leaked, so I went back the original carrier (the smallest one). I am using the red spring. I don't know what to try next. Thanks for the help.

Sounds like very slight bolt stick.

Did you remove the shims before you increased the carrier size? If you didn't, it is possible that the leak was due to the shims and not the increase in carrier size. This happens when the vent hole is right on the edge of the oring.

Did your velocity setting change? If you had to decrease the velocity setting (not the actual velocity necessarily) due to the change of a barrel, then you may need to increase the velocity setting to get the gun to cycle properly. If the velocity is too high then you may need a shorter bolt spring to operate in your desired velocity range. If you have not made any adjustments to your velocity setting, then I'm betting this is not your problem.

[DBC]

First Shot Chuff

All of a sudden, my tac-1 chuffs on the first shot, but shoots fine on subsequent shots made right after the first. I tried using the next larger carrier, but it leaked, so I went back the original carrier (the smallest one). I am using the red spring. I don't know what to try next. Thanks for the help.

[athomas]

What are the sizes on the carriers, I have one with no marks, one with a dot, one with a dot and a line and one with a line. Which one is bigger, which one is smaller? Thanks.

Each dot represents 0.5. Each line represents 1. The size goes up as you add dots and/or lines. The size you have installed now is 1.0. You will need to use the 1.5 for your setup to work properly.

[trugz]

What are the sizes on the carriers, I have one with no marks, one with a dot, one with a dot and a line and one with a line. Which one is bigger, which one is smaller? Thanks.

[athomas]

So I should change the white o ring or the black one that goes around the carrier on the outside? The carrier I am using only have one line around the whole outside. I am assuming that is the one with two lines counting the one where the o ring goes.

Its the white oring that you change. However, since you are actually using the 1 ring carrier and not the 2 ring carrier, you need to change carrier sizes rather than the oring.

When tuning the level 10, remove all powertube shims. Then install the largest carrier size that does not leak. Always use the same white carrier oring. The carriers squeeze the oring a bit, so the different size carriers put different tensions on the bolt stem when using the same oring. Once you get the proper size carrier, you can play with the bolt springs and shims.

[trugz]

So I should change the white o ring or the black one that goes around the carrier on the outside? The carrier I am using only have one line around the whole outside. I am assuming that is the one with two lines counting the one where the o ring goes.

[athomas]

I am suffering bolt stick and it wont reset, what can I do. I installed the level 10 with 1 shim and the carrier with the two grooves. No leakes, played four games and all of the sudden the trigger wont reset at all. I dont know what to do, please advice.

The carrier with two grooves is quite large. I am surprised you are getting bolt stick with that one. It could be a bad carrier oring. Have you tried changing orings and retuning?

[trugz]

I am suffering bolt stick and it wont reset, what can I do. I installed the level 10 with 1 shim and the carrier with the two grooves. No leakes, played four games and all of the sudden the trigger wont reset at all. I dont know what to do, please advice.

[athomas]

could a damaged backing washer cause leaks? i have the 0 carrier in my rt valve with lvl 10 and it works without leaking but every few shots it will start leaking a little, ive tried all the different size carriers and all the other ones will leak all the time the 0 just a little sometimes. any help would be great, i have been trying to figure this out for weeks now i just dont know what the problem is ugh.

Have you tried changing the oring? If you have a bad oring, it could cause leaking with all carrier sizes. Make sure you remove all powertube shims when looking for leaks or checking carrier sizes. Another potential cause of leaking, if you have leaking without any shims installed, is if your sear is worn.