If AGD Wanted To Go Electronic ?

[going_home]

Pre Tunaball ?

[Dayspring]

Let's keep it on topic here - no fighting.

[Spiritchaser]

Mine is done.

Hmmm... I guess my tax return next year is now spoken for...

[Spider-TW]

Hmmm... I guess my tax return next year is now spoken for...

Hypothetically, if there was such a thing (as a tax return or e-frame), I happen to have a bone stock classic mag that would really be fun with a single trigger e-frame, even if I could only get 8 bps out of it.

[cockerpunk]

Gordo has a way of saying something that is just a detriment. The way he writes, he comes off very obnoxious, arrogant and condescending, no matter if its the truth or not.

While i won't try to spend your money, but if you do make sure its a weekend. We, the BEO will put you up, feed you and take you to our field were you can not only shoot these, but put them in real world applications. I am sure we can even drag Tuna out for the day

That's because no one likes you Mimsy

Hey cockerpunk, not sure what you were ripped on about. Saying that AGD was a one man operation? That's interesting. Not sure why anyone would rip on you for that statement.
Anyway, hopefully whatever reason there was is done and over with.

i was as shocked as you were.

automags: love the guns, love AGD ... some of the people who have taken over "the community?" not so much.

i don't know what there deal is, but it seems no matter how obvious the statement i make is, they want to attack me for it. including the 3 page meltdown they had when i said that AGD was a small operation these days. i think they thought i was ripping on AGD. i don't know why because as i also stated in both threads, i wish more companies in the old guard did what AGD did, in order to keep the doors open and the guns supported. most of the old guard went out with a bang, and the biggest loss when that happens is to the guys who own and love the guns. AGD is still here for us, and thats great.

thanks for what you do sandman, keep the doors open at AGD and we'll keep shooting the guns:

[BigEvil]

OK I'm lying.. I love you Gordo.

[luke]

Back to electronics.

Size of the frame is my issue. The hyperframe style remakes all use the same huge clacker. I would never agree to invest in a project to rebuild something that big. It has to be a smaller set-up or I just would not make it. So finding a smaller noid or using an LPR with a smaller valve and board are the options I know of. Not sure if they are possible. Everything has to fit in the frame too. No external LPR hanging off the gun somewhere.

These two frames are both narrower than a stock Intelli frame with DYE wrap arounds.
The Mini Vert and LcE90 are identical in width (frame and grips). The LcE90 shown is fully engineered so this is the final design.



The real factor in how a grip frame feels is indicated in the following pictures. Measurements are taken with with the triggers pulled (bottomed out) so "how far forward" the trigger sits when the marker is aired up is not figured, however it does factor in.

This same measurement on the LcE90 is only 1.90"

The trigger below is the Ultra Blade (Pneumag ONLY) which has a different geometry than a standard Intelli trigger. It incorporates new geometry that has considerably less travel than a standard intelli style trigger. This equates to more room inside the trigger guard than the standard configuration.




The LcE90 will give you an additional 0.35" more space inside the trigger guard than the Deflator grip frame, that is without moving the guard forward. (Still fits an 8" Automag rail.)

:)

[Spiritchaser]

This looks super promising for me. My mole-hands are great for rock climbing, but not so good for fitting in cramped trigger guards. I'm looking forward to this!

[bowcycle]

Mine is done.

Salivating...

[vintage]

what about those of us who don't like 90 degree frames?

[going_home]

what about those of us who don't like 90 degree frames?

Keith has that covered (soon I hope).

[dstud2000]

Glad to see AGD alive and kicking, even if its only in baby steps for the time being, atleast they are here for us and I appreciate that. Been out of paintball for some years due to life, but finally getting some time to put into paintball again and the prospects of AGD being their for tech, service and possibly some new goodies is very exciting. Keep it up, you have my gratitude Sandman and anyone else helping him out.

[p8ntbal4me]

I want to touch on this subject in only one part: The spacing of a trigger in relation to the back of the frame....

Its all relative, and when you start plugging electronics inside,... you need to have that space.

With the VER frames,.. you have so little material between the back of the trigger to the back of the solenoid,... then cram a trigger switch inside,...

The materials and the width is minimal.

Sear geometry needs to be almost PERFECT or the high rates of fire will not occur,.....

When people talk about cutting material here and there,.. use caution,... because I can almost guaranty you will need it back for other parts later on.


In a purely mechanical point,..... I don't believe cutting some materials out will do much harm.

[luke]

I want to touch on this subject in only one part: The spacing of a trigger in relation to the back of the frame....

Its all relative, and when you start plugging electronics inside,... you need to have that space.

With the VER frames,.. you have so little material between the back of the trigger to the back of the solenoid,... then cram a trigger switch inside,...

The materials and the width is minimal.

Sear geometry needs to be almost PERFECT or the high rates of fire will not occur,.....

When people talk about cutting material here and there,.. use caution,... because I can almost guaranty you will need it back for other parts later on.


In a purely mechanical point,..... I don't believe cutting some materials out will do much harm.

I agree 100%

The micro switch was by FAR the biggest problem developing the LcE90. Using an AGD Intelli style trigger poses many design and potential performance problems. I spent 2 weeks and exhausted fistfuls of ideas to maintain AGD's trigger platform so everyone could use their favorite trigger. In the end the trade-offs of using an Intelli trigger wasn't worth sacrificing improvements by simply re-engineering how it's done.

[Sandman]

Will there be a 45 style in the long run? I don't think this was ever answered...or was it?