If AGD Wanted To Go Electronic ?

[Nobody]

To me any gun that was a blender in the 90s due to speed had that issue erased with FF hoppers. Warp feed never had a real chance to take off when FF came our just a year or so later. Angels and mags alike were blenders because people out shot there hoppers. That was user error but caused a stigma.

I think a lot has been done in the last year to reserect AGD. All subtle. But it all adds up and the co owners get mad props for all the baby steps.

I'd love to see xmt bodies and Luke's bodies and parts as a link on AGD site or for sale by agd. Honestly the amount of people that know about the aftermarket is just a small percent of the ones that even know AGD is still around.

There is a story that TK had forone year that a prize of $10,000 would be given to the "best" player for the year or the best placing of that pro using a warpfeed. From what i was told, only 1 person used it. That was Bob Long. He used a warp for 1 year then took it off after winning the prize.

It wasn't the fact that warps had a short shelf life before the proliferation of the Halo and subsequent forcefeed loaders but the simple fact that those loaders are easier to use. No special brackets, so loader feeding a loader, nothing else. If you have a break in the loader, swap it out for a clean one. Warps are the missing link between gravity loaders and our loaders of today. This will get me hate but they are antiquated, outdated and huge. Even the warpless loaders that some use are better than the TK designed warps.

[going_home]

Huh? What?

Wait......


Scott didn't really just post an RPG frame did he ?


Maybe I'm seeing things.....

[blackdeath1k]

There is a story that TK had forone year that a prize of $10,000 would be given to the "best" player for the year or the best placing of that pro using a warpfeed. From what i was told, only 1 person used it. That was Bob Long. He used a warp for 1 year then took it off after winning the prize.

It wasn't the fact that warps had a short shelf life before the proliferation of the Halo and subsequent forcefeed loaders but the simple fact that those loaders are easier to use. No special brackets, so loader feeding a loader, nothing else. If you have a break in the loader, swap it out for a clean one. Warps are the missing link between gravity loaders and our loaders of today. This will get me hate but they are antiquated, outdated and huge. Even the warpless loaders that some use are better than the TK designed warps.

A warp to me was always an over thought process. And yes big and clunky.

[Sandman]

So...the hyperframe is the frame that has already been done several times over....
the VER frame, the RPG and others...Those us the "clacker" noid and some basic electronics to hammer away.

There are some other frames that utilize a lower pressure reg and board kind of a pnuemag and electronic mix.

What would be nice is if someone that knows all the version of frame could post them up and their basic design.


My idea would be to get away from the "clacker". The clacker makes for a really wide frame with the grips.
Or we need to source a clacker that is small yet can do the same job.... cost is probably the issue.


I would like to do the hybrid of pneumatics and electronics to make it run at low pressure and power.
I can build the reg right into the frame just like Mac Dev does. I love that design. Then a small valve and electronic board
and it's all done! Easy! LOL! Well that's one direction to look at anyway...

Anyone with a list of frames and designs?

And yeah, I never like warps....never used one...my personal opinion...nice concept, just didn't work for me. It's great if you only ever shoot out of one side of the bunker.

[Dirge]

Wait......


Scott didn't really just post an RPG frame did he ?


Maybe I'm seeing things.....

That is an E-90.

[BigEvil]

Electo stuff

Tim,

There are pros and cons to every method of making a mag electro. The Magnus e90 incorporated everything we have learned from servicing hyper frames. It is more reliable than some of my emags.


As time allows over the next few days i can give you a pretty good synopsis of the different types and their pros and cons.

[BigEvil]

Wait......


Scott didn't really just post an RPG frame did he ?


Maybe I'm seeing things.....

You need new glasses.

[going_home]

You need new glasses.

I was looking at this from my phone.

But the other thing is making these to sell at a profit for 350 ?

[Dayspring]

And yeah, I never like warps....never used one...my personal opinion...nice concept, just didn't work for me. It's great if you only ever shoot out of one side of the bunker.

You turn the marker 90 degrees to shoot out of the side of the bunker with the Warp on it.

[going_home]

You turn the marker 90 degrees to shoot out of the side of the bunker with the Warp on it.

Oh I get it.

[Spider-TW]

As time allows over the next few days i can give you a pretty good synopsis of the different types and their pros and cons.

When you do that, got any info on max rof? Would that even matter in the present market, as long as you're over 11?

My EP mag is semi only with a fixed debounce and no buffering, so it only goes as fast as I can hit it perfectly. Theoretically it is 20 bps, timing-wise, but 14 or 16 has been the real limit at the trigger.

I'm expecting an EM mag to be a hair faster to fire than an EP/Ego-mag due to the simpler actuation. At 20 bps you're getting into valve/reg cycle times, so I don't know that it matters from one shot to the next.

Plain solenoid setups (Electro-Mechanical) don't have an LPR with o-rings and seals to take care of, which has been my main interest in them. On the other hand, I haven't had to mess with my micro-rock or that little SMC solenoid valve I bought from Luke years ago. I still have a new spare SMC. As far as embedding an LPR, it is common practice, but it does step up the maintenance and trouble shooting.

I argue this with myself often. :)

[duffman]

need to get more people informed about airgun designs.grass roots marketing, more social media, then need some brand ambassadors getting out to all the different fields and event promoting AGD.
I still love the platform. one of the best

this is just my opinion from an old school player

[BigEvil]

When you do that, got any info on max rof? Would that even matter in the present market, as long as you're over 11?

My EP mag is semi only with a fixed debounce and no buffering, so it only goes as fast as I can hit it perfectly. Theoretically it is 20 bps, timing-wise, but 14 or 16 has been the real limit at the trigger.

I'm expecting an EM mag to be a hair faster to fire than an EP/Ego-mag due to the simpler actuation. At 20 bps you're getting into valve/reg cycle times, so I don't know that it matters from one shot to the next.

Plain solenoid setups (Electro-Mechanical) don't have an LPR with o-rings and seals to take care of, which has been my main interest in them. On the other hand, I haven't had to mess with my micro-rock or that little SMC solenoid valve I bought from Luke years ago. I still have a new spare SMC. As far as embedding an LPR, it is common practice, but it does step up the maintenance and trouble shooting.

I argue this with myself often. :)

Every single marker has it's own unique personality. I can get 20 bps on all of my electros with Xvalve variants, and 16 on my Hyperframed classic. Some emags I can push to 23 bps. With stock set up, most struggle to do 17.

[Ninjeff]

Is ROF a big issue now-a-days anyway? All major tournaments are capped below 13 now, and NXL is at 10.5 i believe. I cant think of the last time i went to a field and they allowed firing modes (although most people sneak by with ramping).

[cockerpunk]

Keep in mind AGD was a one man operation as of February.

lets all just keep in mind i got **** on for days, by nearly everyone on this forum with a "name" including several admins, because i dared say something like this.

as i stated in that thread too ... i thought this was common knowledge in the mag community. and it certainly should have been with the very folks ****ting on me.

stay classy AO.

EDIT: again, this is not a rip on AGD. i wish more of the old guard would have done the same thing (WGP eh hem). i think its fantastic that AGD is still around, and the way to do that is keep overhead low.